the tale of Angela Raina and the things
she does in her downtime. She goes to AA
and she's criticized. She goes to the
opera and she's too common to go to the
opera. She goes to the beach, she's too
middle class to go to the beach or to
have a drink or whatever. I don't know
what's she can't whichever way she
turns, Angela Raina is a like a kind of
receptacle for the snobberies in this
country, particularly those wielded by
the right-wing press in this country, I
would say. and Natasha Clark, not rain.
Natasha Clark is here to talk to me
about this. Gingery, that doesn't mean
you've made that mistake, I'm afraid.
>> Listen, this is yet another example,
isn't it, of where the Daily Mail and
the like goes after Angela Raina. We'll
come to other politicians, but goes
after Angela Raina in a very particular
way, and they really they they want it
every every way, don't they? The woman
can't do anything without them finding
some class-based reason to criticize
her.
>> Yeah, I think that's fair to say. and um
you know the way that the the Daily Mail
and and other newspapers have sort of
written up these these pictures which
which were which were splashed across
some of the papers in the last couple of
days. Angela Raina having a drink on the
beach
>> in Sussex, not in Rio de Janeiro or
>> in Hoveve enjoying a I think many would
say welld deserved summer holiday as we
all should be
>> on a shingly beach
>> on a shingly very nicel looking beach.
Um wearing quite a posh dryrobe jacket
as has been described by by by the male.
Um, it's a dry robe. If you you're into
swimming, aren't you? I've got a dry
robe. Have you? They are very nice and
they are very expensive. And actually,
you know what? I've
>> 160 quid.
>> It's quite a lot for a basically what's
a posh towel in a in a in a
>> It's more No, no, no. It's more than a
posh towel. It's a It's a waterproof
Gortex coat with fabulous lining in the
middle that helps you to dry off when
you come out of the car.
>> It does look great. Um I you do see a
lot of people around town wearing them,
don't you? And I think I'm not sure.
That's maybe a slight step too far.
>> You mean wearing them as normal coats?
Yeah. No, I don't idea. No, not walking
the dog in them. No, no, no. Not for me.
Not for me. Um, she Yes. So, basically,
the these pictures have have been
>> slightly twisted and and slightly, you
know, um, seized upon by some of
Angelina's critics.
>> Um, saying, you know, talking about the
fact that she's trying at the same time
she's sipping rosé on a beach. She's
going to be, you know, taking war to the
middle classes with her council tax
reforms, which potentially might put up
your bill by hundreds of pounds. Isn't
stop you buying a dry robe and a glass
of wine. You do, but you know it's just
an example like you say, can politicians
firstly enjoy anything? Is there
anything that Angela can do right? Um or
is it completely hypocritical for for
for our politicians to for us to want to
see really normal workingclass
politicians not spending the money on
anything and not going out and not
enjoying themselves, not having fun
>> or even people who are very wealthy, you
know, let them spend their money, I say.
>> Yeah. And obviously, you know, do we
want is this really the best we can hope
for our politicians? It very much feels
like as a media, as a society, they they
can do no right. You know, we we
complain when they're really boring. We
complain when they're having fun. We
complain when they're doing their own
thing. We complain when they're having a
drink. We complain when they're not.
>> And am I right in saying that the Mail
article said it was a huge glass of wine
when in fact we've since learned it was
actually
ginonic, which as you know, comes in a
very big glass.
>> Could have been tanker zero for all we
know.
>> Yes. I'm told that I think it was a gin
and tonic. That's what I was told. But
um but yes, the the male had said it was
rosé and they I think their funny little
caption was, you know, everything's
looking rosé for Angela Raina. Very
funny, you know, but compare this to to
other coverage where you might see, you
know, you might see an alternative
headline, you know, Angela Raina stuns
in camouflage, dry robe, sipping large
glass of wine on beach, looking looking
amazing.
>> We don't get those.
>> Or she keeps it British and goes to the
beach in Sussex, you know.
>> Yeah. which we might have seen, you
know, Boris Johnson ditches family
holiday, decides to spend it in in in
Cornwall in real patriotic show of
support with big flag behind him.
>> Yes.
>> And it's it's, you know, the way that we
paint our politicians differently,
right?
>> But also with Labour, we there was a
great deal, I think personally it was
justified, but a great deal of criticism
for the freebies that they took to dress
well and have the right specs and all
that. Um, but it it so we're saying
don't take money to pay for things to
pay for nice things. And then when
Angela Raina buys her own drink or her
own coat, it's not the right coat.
>> No. And she she shouldn't be spending
that much money on a coat anyway.
>> Silly, isn't it?
>> It's it's tough, isn't it, when you are
a politician, where is where is the line
between how in touch with the public you
are or out of touch? And obviously, you
know, when we think about former
politicians, we think about Rishi Sunnak
being an incredibly wealthy man. Um, did
that make him a bad prime minister? Um,
you know, some would say no. Some would
say yes, he was out of touch and didn't
get me and my problems and, you know,
didn't understand the plight of the
working man. But then you have people
like, you know, Boris Johnson and Nigel
Farage, arguably of course in their own
right, very rich men, very rich
individuals. But many people say they do
understand what it's like to to be me
and they they do get and have that
connection and that touch with the
public. Um, I don't think it'd be unfair
of me to say that Karma probably does
struggle to to be in touch with the
common working man. And um apart from
when he's talking about football, which
it seems to light up his face and and
seems to sort of make him a bit more of
a normal guy. Um but Angeline is not
allowed to do anything that might make
her normal, even having um a glass of
rosé or or a glass of ginotonic on the
beach.
>> Thankfully, she seems well aable for
this nonsense, doesn't she?
>> I'm not sure she's bothered in the
slightest. I think she she very much
shrugs it off. I think she said, you
know, there was pictures of her DJing in
Ither, I think, last summer, and said,
"I can take a day off, you know."
Um, and it was the same with the opera
pictures, you know, saying when she was
pictured going to the opera, well, why
on earth shouldn't she go to the opera?
Um, but yes, I think it just goes it
does go something to the heart of heart
of our politics about how difficult it
is who would want to be a politician.
>> I was going to say you you will never
really know who it puts off, will we?
But I'm I I would guess it puts people
off joining politics.
>> Yeah, I think so. If knowing that every
sort of move that you make is going to
be scrutinized in the way that it is.
And I think especially as a woman and
speak to a lot of female MPs who say,
"Would you ever like to become an MP?"
And I say, "Absolutely not." Not for the
criticism and the scrutiny that you get.
>> Well, for the record, the dress I'm
wearing today cost about $24.99 in H&M
about 5 years ago.
>> This is from H&M. My shirt's from H&M.
This was quite cheap actually. I think
it was about about £20. So,
>> is that a Is that is that a posh watch?
>> It is quite a posh watch actually. Yeah,
this was this is a Garmin watch. Is that
too posh to to Yeah, it was Yeah, a few
hundred pound.
>> You deserve it. You work hard.
>> Treated myself at Christmas.
>> Good woman.
of of the cheap shirts and cheap
dresses. Thank you very much, Natasha.